KVN wrote:I can not believe this guy at Dcraft . I'am just floored by the lack of originality over the last few years by Jim & gang. I worked very hard to create unique designs at quest, although many of my attempts were put down or changed into something I was not proud of (turbo /ten meter brick). . I did design with Steve the INFERNO Raging & Raging DT,my three fave of our releases. So why does Dcraft even make this mold of a Monarch/Groove, and isn't there a law against this? Or atleast a code of ethics.I don't know who approves the discs for release but I would guess it is Jim.He has been following the leader so long maybe he should change the name to
Discnovacraft. ( nothing against the D gang just like originality )
OK, just to clarify, the Avenger is nothing even close to the Orc. Also the reason the groove has a groove in the bevel is because they had to take weight off of the disc in order to produce such a wide rim and keep it within regulation. It's actually really difficult to make super fast discs within the PDGA size and weight parameters. That's not original, other companies like whamo and Gateway have been running discs like that for a while. Because Discraft is doing something similar doesn't mean anything except that it's needed technically in order to produce a disc with that kind of wing and speed.
Also, it's gone both ways since the beginning, and Discraft paid HUGE money to even be in the game for as long as they have. (Cyclone, Buzz, XL) I'm pretty sure that Innova used to be paid for every competitive model of disc out there because of their ownership of the beveled disc patent. Not only that but this is business, and you have to meet demand. Discraft still holds true to new designs, and although a disc might seem the same to us when it's made it requires just as much work. Just my opinion of course.