Why I love West Lake (aka par topic)

Postby IHearChains » Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:05 am

batlord wrote:So do the start and finish of each hole and then fill in the gap.

Hole #3
- 350 ft drive - ONE stroke
- >40ft putt, but <350 drive - ONE stroke
- putt - ONE stroke.
This means hole #3 would be a par 3.



By this rubric, does any hole less than 350 become par 2?

Hole #10
- >40ft putt, but <350 drive - ONE stroke
- putt - ONE stroke.
Par 2, if you are consistent.

It's a heck of a lot easier to get a 2 on hole #10 than to get a 4 on holes #5, #13, #15, #18, #20.

Another question, shouldn't elevation figure in? That "good drive" in the flat open at Eastern sure doesn't get me as far on #20 at Westlake!

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Postby GDL17921 » Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:20 am

bottom line, lowest score wins. Chuck par.

Par is an idea somebody like KC came up with over some shitty pizza to make themselves feel all warm and fuzzy about their mediocre game. :lol:
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Postby Cydisc » Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:27 am

batlord wrote:Assume you are an Advanced golfer - not a brilliant average golfer, but cashign in the intermediate division regularly and sometimes in the advanced field. Say your controlled "good" drive (not crushing) is 350'. You can also make a good portion of putts inside 40 ft.


You just described an average *pro*.
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Postby K.C. » Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:34 am

GDL2000 wrote:Par is an idea somebody like KC came up with over some shitty pizza to make themselves feel all warm and fuzzy about their mediocre game. :lol:


True that. But, thank you for saying it correctly: "Like" K.C., cuz we all know I don't eat shitty pizza, and you darn well know that my game isn't even close to mediocre. Its only one step above your crap a55 game, and that aint sayin' much!!! :lol:
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Postby GDL17921 » Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:45 am

hey, at least I have a winning percentage. :lol:
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Postby K.C. » Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:55 am

Very true, good point. However, I have a spectacular 1st round winning percentage, followed very closely be an even more impressive percentage of choking in the 2nd round. Does that count? :lol:
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Postby tjdub26936 » Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:03 pm

K.C. wrote:12: . . . You deserve an eagle putt if you can drive that basket.


Could this apply to 14? 23?
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Postby MDR_3000 » Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:05 pm

K.C. wrote:Alright, so after all this fun stuff, lets go back (and maybe I can change my mind, I’m open to being wrong…I usually am).

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1: This is a solid par 3. Deuces happen, congrats…but its not easy.

It used to be a tough par 3, now that the teepad's moved I'm not sure if it's possible to get a putt off the tee.


3: 3 or 4? I guess if you give it a 4, then taking a 2 is REALLY rewarded, but taking a 3 is still rewarded? Hmmm…I’ll cave. Par 4.

3's 17
4's 27
5's 8
6's 2

Those are the scores taken on hole 3 by the Open division at last year's Rumble. It looks like you're going to be rewarded with a 3.

5: 4 or 5? Did Chase take an “eagle” during the Rumble? Was it THAT well played? Maybe so…but I still believe it’s a very hard 4. I still think that if you play this hole smart…and don’t get risky, you SHOULD end up with a 4, and be happy to take par.


yes it was played THAT well. Where's Eng at with the numbers to back that up?



12: 3 or 4 or 5? You’re right, but I hate admitting it. You deserve an eagle putt if you can drive that basket. That really is sick, and I envy all of you who can! But, it is NOT a par 5. That’s just dumb.


You're right it's not a Par 5, it's a short par 4 (they do also exist in ball golf)


13: 4 or 5? I still think it’s a par 4. You’re driving down-hill off the tee, and even I’m getting (ball-park) 400’ on a good drive, take or give a few. Then, as much as it LOOKS intimidating, you need to throw another drive 370’ to be parked, right? That’s a par 4. (Is #6 at Eastern a par 4? That’s gotta be in that ball-park of distance…)


that hole's a little longer than 770' I'm sure. KC, the pole is only 350' out. If I have to kill two drives to get to the basket, one of those shots are NOT 370'.

#6 is not a par 4, but I have a neat idea to make it a par 4.


14: Tough par 3.

Short par 4. I'll need Eng's number to back that one too.

18: 4 or 5? Along with #5, toughest par 4 on the course. Not a par 5. Adam made that 3 look easy, too easy. Can I do that? No way, but I think I’ll 3 it out there sooner or later. If I can 3 it, its not a par 5.


4's 4
5's 16
6's 17
7's 11
8's 5
9's 0
10's 1

There's the breakdown of score on hole 18 in '06. there were only 4 pars all day,2 of them coming from Tankerton?

23: Par 3.


This is a toughy.

3's 22
4's 26
5's 6

I could probably go with a tough par 3 on that one.
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Postby KePP » Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:27 pm

numbers !
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Postby batlord » Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:02 am

Man, you guys are pushy. I'll get crack-a-lackin' on them. geesh...
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Postby KePP » Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:15 pm

Whoops, my post was of excitement as opposed to demand.
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Postby KePP » Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:03 am

RCR '07 Results - PRO MEN


Hole 1
2's 2
3's 24
4's 27 -- (avg 3.68 )
5's 5
6's 2

Hole 2
2's 18
3's 31 -- (avg 2.98 )
4's 6
5's 4
6's 1

Hole 3
3's 18
4's 32 -- (avg 3.88 )
5's 9
6's 1

Hole 4
2's 14
3's 38 -- (avg 2.90 )
4's 8

Hole 5
3's 2
4's 23
5's 17 -- (avg 4.97 )
6's 12
7's 5
8's 1

Hole 6
2's 9
3's 40 -- (avg 3.05 )
4's 10
5's 1

Hole 7
2's 24
3's 33 -- (avg 2.65 )
4's 3

Hole 8
2's 9
3's 34 -- (avg 3.17 )
4's 15
5's 2

Hole 9
2's 30
3's 30 -- (u can do it)

Hole 10
2's 34 -- (avg 2.45 )
3's 25
4's 1

Hole 11
2's 10
3's 47 -- (avg 2.88 )
4's 3

Hole 12
2's 1
3's 26
4's 30 -- (avg 3.58 )
5's 3

Hole 13
4's 21
5's 28 -- (avg 4.95 )
6's 5
7's 5
8's 1

Hole 14
3's 30
4's 23 -- (avg 3.63 )
5's 6
6's 1

Hole 15
4's 26
5's 24 -- (avg 4.77 )
6's 8
7's 2

Hole 16
2's 2
3's 27
4's 27 -- (avg 3.55 )
5's 4

Hole 17
2's 11
3's 41 -- (avg 2.95 )
4's 8

Hole 18
3's 1
4's 5
5's 31 -- (avg 5.33 )
6's 19
7's 4

Hole 19 - n/a relocated
2's 31
3's 18 -- (avg 2.75 )
4's 8
5's 1
6's 2

Hole 20
3's 10
4's 21 -- (avg 4.40 )
5's 25
6's 3
7's 1

Hole 21
3's 10
4's 24 -- (avg 4.40 )
5's 18
6's 8

Hole 22
2's 23
3's 28 -- (avg 2.83 )
4's 5
5's 4

Hole 23
3's 29
4's 22 -- (avg 3.68 )
5's 8
6's 1

Hole 24
3's 14
4's 39 -- (avg 3.88 )
5's 7

Avg Round = 86
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Postby Steady 26542 » Mon Sep 24, 2007 1:32 pm

Kepp, If we use your averages then Par would be 89. Correct?
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Postby Lou Siffer » Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:49 pm

I get 85.81 ~ 86
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Postby Steady 26542 » Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:37 pm

John, I was taking any average over .5 as going to the next par. Example: Hole 1 = 3.68, so it's a par 4. So...

Hole 1 = 4, hole 2 = 3, hole 3 = 4, hole 4 = 3, hole 5 = 5, hole 6 through 11 = 3, and hole 12 = 4. Making the front 12 par = 41.

Hole 13 = 5, hole 14 = 4. Hole 15 = 5, hole 16 = 4, hole 17 = 3, hole 18 = 5, hole 19 = 3, hole 20 = 4, hole 21 = 4, hole 22 = 3, hole 23 = 4, and hole 24 = 4. Making the back 12 par = 48.

So if you use the "average" method where there are no par 2's, the Pro par for the course is 89...

Jay? Mike? Anyone? :twisted:
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