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Postby Single L » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:04 pm

10up wrote:I just don't see where the stop-gap QB is bad for Minnesota right now. They need some time to rebuild the defense and replace some ageing vets. Let him hold a clipboard for a couple years. You don't think he'll learn a thing or two? and if he does get the start after a couple years of filling in, 2nd team workouts, playbook analysis, etc. and DOES suck? You'll be all the better for it. They'll be right in time to draft #1 QB Prospect James Vandenburg, coming off a Rose Bowl Victory MVP.


I respect your stance, but my main issue is that enough is enough with these chucking short term solutions. We've had a stop-gab QB ever since Tommy Kramer. Culpepper was the closest thing we've had since then as a QB to call our own. Your statement of "sit for 2 years then play, if he sucks draft another one" could only prolong this dilemma for us Vikings fans. I'd rather find out sooner than later if he's got the chops or not and then move on if we have to. Sure I want to give him a chance to develop but I also don't want to prolong going through this again, and again, and again, and again, if he wasn't the one.

Long story short. I'll get over it and support D-Bag because he is/will be a Viking (gotta support your team). However I'd really like to see Ponder show that the job is his and earn the #1 spot over McNabb soon than later (like sometime this season).
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Postby GDL17921 » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:22 pm

just curious, why is McNabb hated so much? I remember when he got drafted and all the Eagles fans booed. I thought that was real classy. Anybody remember who/why they hated that pick? Who were they wanting?

I also remember when Cutler was having some rough times in the beginning in Chicago, Donavan reaching out to him immediately after a game and offering some wise words......i.e....leadership...

I'm not an Eagles fan, or a Donovan fan really, but I've always thought of him as a pretty damn good quarterback and a decent person in general.
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Postby 10up » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:39 pm

He is. But that wasn't why they booed him at the draft. They were booing the selection of a QB in general, not the selection of Donovan. But he never really elevated them to the level they think they deserved to be at.

What can really be said about a guy that's played in four NFC Championship games with only 1 win and a Superbowl loss? I personally think a ton. Philly fans, not so much. I think Donovan's presence in Philly is kinda similar to Reggie's presence in NOLA. Not bad in any way, just not respectable considering draft position and stats. Donovan, if you look at the stats, never really "lost" any of those playoff games. But he certainly didn't elevate his game and "win" any of them either.

Product of the system I say. I bet the Queens are better with McNabb at his average then with Favre at his best. Suck it.
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Postby njrules » Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:26 pm

Single L wrote:
I respect your stance, but my main issue is that enough is enough with these chucking short term solutions. We've had a stop-gab QB ever since Tommy Kramer. Culpepper was the closest thing we've had since then as a QB to call our own. Your statement of "sit for 2 years then play, if he sucks draft another one" could only prolong this dilemma for us Vikings fans. I'd rather find out sooner than later if he's got the chops or not and then move on if we have to. Sure I want to give him a chance to develop but I also don't want to prolong going through this again, and again, and again, and again, if he wasn't the one.

Long story short. I'll get over it and support D-Bag because he is/will be a Viking (gotta support your team). However I'd really like to see Ponder show that the job is his and earn the #1 spot over McNabb soon than later (like sometime this season).


I understand the frustration but where are you going with this, the Vikings for the most part have been picking up the best available options at QB. Had Culpepper stayed healthy, or Tavaris not been a bust we would've had a longer standing QB -- This was from necessity not choice. Typically the Vikings are not in the position to draft a franchise QB and it was a reach to draft Ponder so high. If it was so easy to do this many more teams would have franchise QBs. Right now only about 1/3 or half the teams have these QBs. There is alot of luck involved (Brees/Brady), and having to top draft pick doesn't hurt(Manning/Bradford/Stafford).
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Postby Single L » Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:16 am

GDL17921 wrote:just curious, why is McNabb hated so much?

7 for 15 - 39 Yards - 47.9 QB Rating
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Postby grodney » Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:30 am

By my count, the Vikings have had 7 black STARTING QBs since 1994.

Moon
Cunningham
Culpepper
Spergon Wynn
Tarvaris Jackson
Joe Webb
McNabb

I'm only pointing this out for the statistical significance.

Is there any other team that's even CLOSE?
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Postby Single L » Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:47 pm

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That is all ..........
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Postby SARG27044 » Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:50 am

What was your coach thinking? Punt and give the ball to GB with 2:30 on the clock and assume you're going to stop them, get the ball back, and score a TD? I was very happy when they decided to punt, cuz I knew we just won the game. A part of me feels if you go for it on 4th down, you get it, and end up winning...Jus sayin

So glad they took Brees out and then gave the ball to Sproles. YESSSSS

Almost took D. Murray out of the lineup 10 min before the game. Double ssssss
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Postby Single L » Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:46 am

SARG27044 wrote:What was your coach thinking? Punt and give the ball to GB with 2:30 on the clock and assume you're going to stop them, get the ball back, and score a TD? I was very happy when they decided to punt, cuz I knew we just won the game. A part of me feels if you go for it on 4th down, you get it, and end up winning...Jus sayin


Couldn't agree with you more ...... You've at least got a chance if you go for it, putting your destiny in your hand. If you punt its game over ...... result = game over.

Here's a snippet from a thread on a local Minny forum. The guy that started thread and another guy are idiots. The two others that I copied are spot on.




Topic: Of course you punt....it's not really debatable unless.......

"You're a moron. You punt and so many things can happen. Fumbled punt, turnover, great punt return if you do stop them. 100 out of 100 times you punt. It's not even a f'n question. If you think otherwise you're either 17, drunk or you've played to much "fantasy" football."

"Yeah, the Vikings vaunted defense is going to stop an undefeated, offensively dominant team to get the ball right back so the rook can take them 80 yards down the field w/ 2 minutes to go and no timeouts. Riiiiiiiiiigggggghhhhhhtttttttt."

"100% correct. 3 time outs. If you don't convert on the 4th and NINE its over for sure. Much higher probability of a win if you punt."

"Seriously, NORMALLY, I'd agree w/ you. BUT, and you should know this, the situation today WASN'T normal and it wasn't involving NORMAL teams.
Did you honestly think the Vikings were going to stop them? Really? I mean, really?"
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Postby Single L » Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:57 am

McNabb:
“If all of us come together and achieve something collectively anything is possible, that’s the message that you want to send to everyone. Despite us being 0-4 there are a lot of teams right now that are struggling as well.” - McNabb after loss to Chief and going 0-4

“Well, we’ve done some good things on offense. Scored some points. Moved the ball,” - McNabb after loss to Bears


Ponder:
"I made some mistakes personally that were crucial, Put this loss on me, but the players around me played exceptionally well and kept me in it," - Ponder after loss to Packers


All I can say is that its refreshing to have someone at QB with this kind of Attitude. Ponders stats weren't great (especially QB rating), but attitude it 1/2 the battle. That's the first game all year where I was excited to watch the game and was into it.

Ponder's best stat of the game was converting 5 of 7 3rd downs (one rushing) in the fourth quarter which helped keep the Vikings in it. There's signs of promise and hope in the future for the Minny/LA Vikings. Small victories at this point.
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Postby AO » Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:00 pm

2-12 and this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu4h2DZQxAI


Season has been a wash! Why was AP playing?
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Postby njrules » Wed May 02, 2012 6:53 am

And that's why I want to move back to Iowa. First the state shut down last year because of fighting between Dems and Repubs.

The stadium bill has been around for 10 years, and they know they need to get it done this year, but it turns into politicking again. They have supposedly found enough votes to pass it but they keep tacking things on and changing the bill in committees so it won't pass.

Plus their is an indian tribe that said they would pay 400 million dollars of it to put a casino with the stadium. Thus solving the entire issue, but other tribes are in the pockets so this solution was turned down right away.
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Postby AO » Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:51 am

Will they maintain or fail?! I can't believe the season they're having so far.
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Postby Budhyzer 17696 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:42 pm

Cautiously optomistic.

Beating Jacksonville, Tennessee and Detroit is not really that impressive. Beating San Francisco was but did they just have a bad day or are they not as good as everyone says? With the remaining schedule they have (Bears and GB twice, Houston and the NFC West), I see them at 8-8 or 9-7 at the end of the season and out of the playoffs.
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