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Postby Jarrod32195 » Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:47 pm

Just purchased three (hopefully collectable)used disks-

1st run Red Champion Edition Eagle 175 ( I think it’s a 1st run .. not sure)

Eight time KC pro Banshee 175

Tye dye Nine time KC Pro Eagle 170

Was wondering what they are worth,

, ( how do I post a picture)

Thanks for your help
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Postby jess20460 » Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:35 pm

Really, it depends on the condition. If all are new ( based on Ebay market ) then:

1st Run CE Eagle- $50-60 NEW, $30-40 USED.
8x KC Banshee- $15-25 NEW, $10-15 USED. ( maybe less. )
9x KC Eagle- $15-20 NEW, $10-15 USED.

It would really depend on whos buying that day. 1st Run CE Eagles are on the rise, but the later runs still go for 20-30$ NEW.
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Postby RonRazz » Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:58 pm

Well I dont know if Chase wants to type it all out but I was wondering what the differences are between the different rocs San Marino, Ontario, flat top, and even the classic.

I hear all of these different types and I dont know what the differences are, care to explain?
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Postby Chase20460 » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:28 pm

Ronrazz wrote:Well I dont know if Chase wants to type it all out but I was wondering what the differences are between the different rocs San Marino, Ontario, flat top, and even the classic.

I hear all of these different types and I dont know what the differences are, care to explain?



Ill do the best I can, although Clark would really be the person to ask. Hes a big Roc fan, where I am not.

The Basics:

San Marino- The first of the Rocs, both big and small. Known primarily as San Marinos after the Ontario was released and hated by most. (San Marino was where Innova was located, hence the name San Marino on the bottom. It is also a timeline of sorts as to measure different DX plastic. When they moved to Ontario, thats the name that appeared on the bottom. Same goes for Rancho. )

Ontario- This was a different, less stable mold than the original big San Marinos. (By big, I mean the larger diameter Rocs. ) This wasnt a real well recieved disc from what Ive been told. ( all this is before my time. )

Rancho- This was the third location, but a new similar mold to the San Marinos, only a little more overstable in design. ( The bluntness of the nose, I think )

Classics are the first Rocs ever, I think. Im not sure. They are connected to the XD also, I think, but this is before my time.

Flat-Topped Rocs are usaully Chings, which is a stamping process that flattens out the top. Some are that way due to mix and cooling effects as well, Im pretty sure, but are usually on Rancho Rocs. Im not sure if the Ching process was developed when Ontarios were around ar not, but I doubt it.

I think alot of it is preference. Older players live and die by San Marinos, but I personally didnt see much difference between them and Ranchos. I only had one though. The Ontarios are a less stable version that has been revived in the USDGC Special Blend Rocs, and before that in the '02 CE Roc, Im pretty sure. ( not positve about that one though. they may have just been crappy like Ontarios. )

As far as value goes, the San Marinos are tops, as far as DX Rocs go. Ontarios arent worth dick, and Rancho Protos can bring big money, but only because people assume they are KC Proto 8x . I have been told they are different discs, and have seen 2 different stamp versions. For the most part though, thats how they are dealt to the general public. I have one, and would sell it as a Rancho Proto, even though I bought it thinking it was a 8x KC Proto.
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Postby flyinplastic23 » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:48 pm

i just like to say "Rancho Cucamonga" its fun.
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Postby Jarrod32195 » Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:38 am

Thanks for your help Jess!
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Postby jess20460 » Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:26 am

Your welcome.. I just act like I know nothing about discs....
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Postby tbw_10130 » Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:17 pm

Regarding Classics and the XD...there were both Rocs and XDs. The Rocs were ever so slightly more stable and got more distance than the XD (at least for the ones that I owned). Of course at that time, Classic Rocs were not Classics (that didn't happen until they were re-introduced sometime after the larger diameter rocs came out).

That's my recollection at least - know that I don't throw Rocs anymore, I know basically nothing about the newer versions.
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Postby RonRazz » Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:28 pm

Thanks Chase I think all stick with my plain old DX roc for now it works for me.
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blueberry?

Postby Abe Froman » Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:35 pm

is this mofo a blueberry? is said to be a 1st run.Image
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Postby Chase20460 » Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:12 am

Looks like it from the Photo, I guess. Id have to see it to know for sure. The Blueberrys are first runs.
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Postby GDL17921 » Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:48 pm

that's a sweet leopard, blueberry or not.
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Postby Chase20460 » Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:16 pm

agreed. Ill buy it from you.
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Postby Abe Froman » Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:30 pm

i dont own it......yet :lol:
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