frogawitdafizzle wrote: DaveS1823 wrote:
SoCal19 wrote:Unions have outpriced their workers. The work they provide is no longer worth the amount of money they're demanding, thus the jobs are moved over seas where the same quality of work is provided for much, much less.
You know, I had a big long post written up and was about to hit send when it occurred to me, most people who are against unions have never really stared poverty in the face and just don't understand. I have and I do. I grew up the oldest of 4 in a 3 room house (not 3 bedroom, but 3 rooms) in NE Missouri. My father worked hard to make ends meet, but it just wasn't enough. To say I know what being poor is is an understatement.
So, yes, let's give all our jobs to the Chinese because our work isn't worth what we want as pay. Let's make all our workers work for minimum wage in places like McDonald's and buying all the low quality junk China will sell us. Then all those rich CEO's will find out that they've out priced themselves as well.
We were the same as you bro, except 9 kids. We didnt get food stamps or government cheese, dad always said it was 4 poor people. He worked UAW for 45 years. Phil I dont think you know much about the labor movement, dont you still live at home
Actually, I'm married and have a house. A nice one, that I worked hard for. No need to be a dick Frog. That's just like me telling you that you must not know much about paying taxes.
Dave you're right. There are a lot of people who are against unions that have never been poor. Never had to work a blue collar job. However, there's a lot of pro-union people who have never been wealthy and have never worked a white collar job. Have never had 50% of their income confiscated by the IRS. It always seems that union members are more interested in tearing wealthy people down instead of trying to become wealthy like them. You have to be able to see it from their point of view. Yes, I know a lot of them don't see if from your point of view either. You just can't argue with the effects of supply and demand when it comes to labor, especially in our current global economy.
My point wasn't to slam unions. Unions are good in some ways and bad in others. Like Clue said, they're very good for members. Unions have also forced employers to make the work place more safe, offer benefits, not discriminate. These are good things. However, they've continued to demand higher and higher wages, but the quality of work has topped out. The development of machines and the ability to move jobs over seas to cut costs is the reason jobs are scarce. Yeah, that may seem greedy, but it's reality.
Oh and I have stared poverty in the face. I grew up in a $30k house in the shit hole of Davenport with a single Mom and two brothers and before that we lived in government housing. I didn't have anything growing. My Mom filed bankruptcy twice in 12 years. My Mom and Dad used to fight over my Dad not paying his $200/month in child support for 3 kids.
All I'm saying is you can't be mad at the CEO's, because if you were in their position you'd be trying to get as much money as you can, just like you do as a union member. Be mad at the shareholders or maybe don't work for companies who ship jobs over seas. You know if Amercans would just not buy products from companies who ship jobs over seas (Like New Balance, who is the only major shoe manufacturer in the US who still makes their shoes here and not in China), they would bring some jobs back, but if unions wouldn't be so demanding on wages that would bring more jobs back. At my job if I don't like how much money I'm making, tough shit. I'd better start looking at another company or educate myself to be more qualifed or more valuable to the company. If you don't like what your company is willing to pay you, then do something else. That's what you have to do if you're non-union. That's why when the recession hit, the biggest job losses were in factory work and construction work.
All things aside. You're biased, because you work for a union. I'm biased because I don't.