I like to throw this disc tilted for long exaggerated hyzer shots. It stretches out the long hyzer better than a Wraith for me. The Orc is an awesome driver too, but with my shot I find the Wraith to be more reliable for the bombs. With a Wraith and a Teebird, the only time I really need the Orc is for the long hyzer. This post makes me realize how open the courses are here in Phoenix. I miss the woods.