tufluk wrote:GDL17921 wrote:Master Lee wrote: Yet the PDGA still treat us as a second class citizen. This is from my personal experience in dealing with the PDGA, your experience may differ.
I think there's a lot of people that could benefit from talking through some of their hate of the PDGA, and move on. Don't you think it's a liitle ironic that people bitch about the PDGA - and then support them by renewing their memeberships every year and playing sanctioned events? Typicaly when I feel so strongly against something, I don't feed them money
What I will say though, is that one thing nobody gives the PDGA enough credit for is trying to clean up the image of the sport, which LOD absolutely doesn't do. I don't have a problem with that, it is what it is.
Haven't attended LOD, thinking about going this year. I probably shouldn't chime in, but....
Just a couple thoughts from an outsider:
1. On paying the PDGA. What choice do we have. They're the only game in town. Kinda like the Republican working for Deere (in IL). He pays UAW dues whether he agrees w/ the politics or not. I pay my PDGA dues because I don't think they are a BAD thing, just aren't sure they're a GOOD thing.
I hear ya, it's a valid argument except the union worker doesn't have a choice. We as disc golfers have a choice to make when we become a PDGA member or decide not to support the organization. You can still play tournaments as a non-member, just not A-Tiers, NT's and majors. I think I played one A-Tier last year so that would have been 1 event out of about 20 that I wouldn't have been able to participate. I'm sure there are more disc golfers that aren't members than are. It's a choice. If you like the tournament scene, you're essentially saying you like what the PDGA has done for disc golf. If you "need" your rating, you're essentially saying you like what the PDGA is doing for disc golf. So support them. If you don't understand about where your money goes, do some research and find out more about the organization and the staff that they employ and the tasks that they complete. It's simple, either support them or don't. I just don't get supporting them, and then bitching about it without a valid arguement. I've yet to see one that suggests anything tangible.
2. If LOD is just "a glorified Bushwhacker party" and was started as such, what's wrong with that??? What business does the PDGA have coming in and "cleaning up its image"? If disc golf has a "Hippie" image, and has been a relatively small sport, once the money gets good do we purge the "Hippie" element. (FYI I'm kinda an old hippie) Then we could be like soccer. Or ball golf. What would ball golfers say if their org, the PGA said lets get rid of the "upper crust, country club types" in their sport?
I recall when I said that I followed it up with ( ) Never said there was anything wrong with that. FYI, I'm a DSM BW, so I have no issues. All I'm saying is that some of the openly obvious extracurriculars would have to be a bit more on the DL due to rules if it was even a B-Tier.
3. Does everything have to evolve? From what I've READ (no personal knowledge) LOD sounds like a great time. Would moving up in tier level make it a better time? Just askin'.
Not necessarily. I believe Doug's issue is he doesn't want to take anymore from your entry fee than necessary to send to the man. I totally get wanting to offer a great event at a great value. LOD has always done that and will always going to be a good time, and I HIGHLY recommend that you attend this year. Your old hippy Camden II trollin' ass won't be disappointed.
BTW, thanks for all you've done over there. Been dreaming about C2 since 2000. Absoluetely awesome to see it come to fruition. My only regret is that I don't get to play it as much as I'd like to.