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Postby Buzzznation » Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:38 pm

Tiki wrote:
TravisTrammel wrote:And I guess the real question that I should be asking is why is it that the
lower division's can't play for cash prize's??


Because they are 'Amateur' divisions and technically shouldn't even be playing for plastic.

One simple question, if the system is so broke...what would you do to improve it?


Simple answer. Get rid of the sandbaggers. Where have you been the last 5 pages :?: :lol:
NO!......Welp!?
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Postby Tiki » Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:40 pm

Lol...my bad...let me rephrase...how would you get rid of sandbaggers?
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Postby Single L » Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:43 pm

Tiki wrote:Lol...my bad...let me rephrase...how would you get rid of sandbaggers?

Tiki wrote:Because they are 'Amateur' divisions and technically shouldn't even be playing for plastic.
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Postby TravisTrammel » Tue Oct 06, 2009 12:01 am

Maybe there should be Open / Pro or ams that's it?
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Postby Clue » Tue Oct 06, 2009 12:02 am

Tiki wrote:Lol...my bad...let me rephrase...how would you get rid of sandbaggers?

One division, one champion.
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Postby TravisTrammel » Tue Oct 06, 2009 12:04 am

Clue wrote:
Tiki wrote:Lol...my bad...let me rephrase...how would you get rid of sandbaggers?

One division, one champion.


Yeah ! Congrats to Tanner then
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Postby Like_Water » Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:19 am

TravisTrammel wrote:
Clue wrote:
Tiki wrote:Lol...my bad...let me rephrase...how would you get rid of sandbaggers?

One division, one champion.


Yeah ! Congrats to Tanner then


Thanks man. I'd like to start with thanking my family, everyone who's....

wait..i haven't really won anything. :evil:
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Postby shane » Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:11 am

Discwrangler wrote:
TravisTrammel wrote:
Clue wrote:
Tiki wrote:Lol...my bad...let me rephrase...how would you get rid of sandbaggers?

One division, one champion.


Yeah ! Congrats to Tanner then


Thanks man. I'd like to start with thanking my family, everyone who's....

wait..i haven't really won anything. :evil:


How easily they forget.
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Postby claya » Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:45 am

Disc Golf....Serious Business
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Postby discgolfduval » Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:47 am

GDL5000 wrote:You wanna talk baggers, let's talk about Tall Paul playing intermediate at Osky dubs......WTF? :lol:


Yeah, I about fell out of my chair when I saw this. He cant be eligible to play this division can he? :roll: :roll:
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Postby SARG27044 » Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:50 am

discgolfduval wrote:
GDL5000 wrote:You wanna talk baggers, let's talk about Tall Paul playing intermediate at Osky dubs......WTF? :lol:


Yeah, I about fell out of my chair when I saw this. He cant be eligible to play this division can he? :roll: :roll:
His rating dropped to 909 so yes he is. They only won by 2 strokes :lol:
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Postby Single L » Tue Oct 06, 2009 2:09 pm

Before the 2008 season the PDGA restructured the Division Classifications. Pro went from 950+ to 970+; ADV went from 915+ to 935+; INT went from <915 to <935; REC went from <875 to <900; and they created Novice for <850. Essentially they created a "Pro 2" as many suggested, but with the division added at the bottom with Novice.

Basically Adv is Pro2, so let’s call ADV - Pro 2, INT - ADV, REC - INT, and Novice - REC.
Here is what your divisions in Iowa would look like.

Open
Adam Olsen 1011
Tanner Duncan 1010
Jonathan Tisue 1003
Ernie Westmark 999
Jason Duden 996
Clay Abernathey 991
Justin McLuen 987
Stephen Whitson 982
Alan Wagner 979
Michael Robinson 977
Kyle Schultz 976
David Arango 975
Jason Steffen 973
Kevin Stibal 973

Pro 2 - (currently Adv)
Joe Thompson 967
Matt Fausch 966
Matt Hauser 965
Shane Stewart 964
Chris Claring 962
Doug Johnson 961
Andrew Greco 960
Dave Kerkove 960
Jason Kolar 960
Tyler Sarg 960
Matt Frymoyer 959
T.J. Tiki Brom 959
Bruce Meyers 955
Trent Tinlin 955
Dan Kern 954
Mikal Williams 953
Adam Foust 951
Cole Ledbetter 951
Jason Rimrodt 951
Grant Weaver 950
Adam L. Stiers 948
Rusty Channon 948
Andrew Detert 947
Kollin Grimm 945
Ryan Wodstrchill 945
Barrett McOmber 944
Ben Callaway 944
Matt Wieben 944
Pete Stolmeier 943
Chris Greenleaf 942
Jay Greenwood 941
Chad Nelson 939
Dustin Oostendorp 939
Jeremy Farnsworth 939
Tim Potter 936
Jerimie Maker 935

ADV - (currently Int)
Jarrod Stocker 934
R.F. Huspen 934
Chad Chadwick 933
Jason Odefey 932
Phillip Dodds 932
Corey Philips 928
Mark Crain 927
Tim Ragen 926
Jack Johnson 925
Josh Beachy 925
Klinton Blackdeer 924
Matt Flaherty 924
Evan Qualls 923
Jeremy Hora 923
Travis Wilson 922
Jordan Leanhart 918
Travis Brown 918
Bruce Heckart 917
Damon Culver 917
Eric Doll 916
Richard Roberts 916
Chance Curley 913
Tim Barker 913
Aaron Chadwick 912
Rob Mumma 912
Josh Faas 911
Matthew Fritz 911
Dan Ferch 910
Travis Bebout 909
Craig Land 907
Amos Langlois 906
Mark Skellenger 905
Shane Gerhardt 905
Brandon Weitzel 904
Kurt Conrad 904
Luke Wittrock 904
Casey Coppi 903
David Beery 903
Michael Nicholson 903
Quinn Casey 903
Clint Evans 901
Robert Howe 901
Adam Karstens 900
Nate Hausen 900

INT - (currently Rec)
Leonard Young 899
Eric Berg 898
James Necessary Jr 898
Joe Sanchez 897
Travis Pike 896
Anthony Furniss 894
Brandon Timper 894
Kevin Lenz 894
Ron Urias 894
Joe English 893
John Mershon 892
Michael Hill 892
Steve Quittem 891
Jason Moomey 890
Ron Rasmussen 890
Cass Cupp 888
Rob Peil 888
J. D. Reed 887
Joseph O'Neil 887
Chris Flores 885
Matt Shannon 885
Christopher Naab 884
Joe Wiley 883
Travis Kerkove 882
Donny Powell 881
Shane Boots 880
Alan Cooper 876
Matthew Phillips 876
Shane Thirtyacre 876
Wyatt Tyler 876
Jason Kruger 874
Jeffrey Beckelheimer 872
Robert Walz 870
Jarin Stoker 864
David Cormeny 863
Cole Martinson 862
Ben Walton 860
Josh Lyster 859
Adam Lasswell 858
Dustin Nohr 857
Brandon Saldivar 855
Jesse Hayes 854
Rindy Stalley 851
Ryan Eggleston 851

Rec - (currently Novice)
Nathan Hamilton 847
Jeremy Reiher 844
Jason Spilman 841
Benny Butler 837
Dan Burg 835
Mathew Mosset 834
Joshua Swisher 830
Spencer Eubanks 830
Thomas Hashman 829
Alexander Rowan 828
Brian Hickman 826
Mike Burton 824
Steve Delaney 824
Sam Saluri 823
Dan Metivier 820
Dustin Snodgress 810
Cole Rutledge 807
Jason Hilton 802
Shaun Spruell 792
Curtis Hayes 791
Josh Butcher 783
Chad Wiegert 775
Michael Shimek 763

This shows me that if players actually went by the PDGA guidelines you would have highly competitive fields with very little bagging and a much smaller gap between the top Pro’s and the Top Adv players. But this will never happen as players are basically treating the divisions as if the ratings classification never changed, so playing down (in the correct division by rating) is seen as bagging and subject to ridicule from others. I think if you add Pro2 you will solve the problem and players will play where they should. So really bagging is self-induced as most players are playing up, which conversely diminishes the quality of the field below making the top players seem like baggers.
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Postby TravisTrammel » Tue Oct 06, 2009 2:29 pm

porkchop wrote:Before the 2008 season the PDGA restructured the Division Classifications. Pro went from 950+ to 970+; ADV went from 915+ to 935+; INT went from <915 to <935; REC went from <875 to <900; and they created Novice for <850. Essentially they created a "Pro 2" as many suggested, but with the division added at the bottom with Novice.

Basically Adv is Pro2, so let’s call ADV - Pro 2, INT - ADV, REC - INT, and Novice - REC.
Here is what your divisions in Iowa would look like.

Open
Adam Olsen 1011
Tanner Duncan 1010
Jonathan Tisue 1003
Ernie Westmark 999
Jason Duden 996
Clay Abernathey 991
Justin McLuen 987
Stephen Whitson 982
Alan Wagner 979
Michael Robinson 977
Kyle Schultz 976
David Arango 975
Jason Steffen 973
Kevin Stibal 973

Pro 2 - (currently Adv)
Joe Thompson 967
Matt Fausch 966
Matt Hauser 965
Shane Stewart 964
Chris Claring 962
Doug Johnson 961
Andrew Greco 960
Dave Kerkove 960
Jason Kolar 960
Tyler Sarg 960
Matt Frymoyer 959
T.J. Tiki Brom 959
Bruce Meyers 955
Trent Tinlin 955
Dan Kern 954
Mikal Williams 953
Adam Foust 951
Cole Ledbetter 951
Jason Rimrodt 951
Grant Weaver 950
Adam L. Stiers 948
Rusty Channon 948
Andrew Detert 947
Kollin Grimm 945
Ryan Wodstrchill 945
Barrett McOmber 944
Ben Callaway 944
Matt Wieben 944
Pete Stolmeier 943
Chris Greenleaf 942
Jay Greenwood 941
Chad Nelson 939
Dustin Oostendorp 939
Jeremy Farnsworth 939
Tim Potter 936
Jerimie Maker 935

ADV - (currently Int)
Jarrod Stocker 934
R.F. Huspen 934
Chad Chadwick 933
Jason Odefey 932
Phillip Dodds 932
Corey Philips 928
Mark Crain 927
Tim Ragen 926
Jack Johnson 925
Josh Beachy 925
Klinton Blackdeer 924
Matt Flaherty 924
Evan Qualls 923
Jeremy Hora 923
Travis Wilson 922
Jordan Leanhart 918
Travis Brown 918
Bruce Heckart 917
Damon Culver 917
Eric Doll 916
Richard Roberts 916
Chance Curley 913
Tim Barker 913
Aaron Chadwick 912
Rob Mumma 912
Josh Faas 911
Matthew Fritz 911
Dan Ferch 910
Travis Bebout 909
Craig Land 907
Amos Langlois 906
Mark Skellenger 905
Shane Gerhardt 905
Brandon Weitzel 904
Kurt Conrad 904
Luke Wittrock 904
Casey Coppi 903
David Beery 903
Michael Nicholson 903
Quinn Casey 903
Clint Evans 901
Robert Howe 901
Adam Karstens 900
Nate Hausen 900

INT - (currently Rec)
Leonard Young 899
Eric Berg 898
James Necessary Jr 898
Joe Sanchez 897
Travis Pike 896
Anthony Furniss 894
Brandon Timper 894
Kevin Lenz 894
Ron Urias 894
Joe English 893
John Mershon 892
Michael Hill 892
Steve Quittem 891
Jason Moomey 890
Ron Rasmussen 890
Cass Cupp 888
Rob Peil 888
J. D. Reed 887
Joseph O'Neil 887
Chris Flores 885
Matt Shannon 885
Christopher Naab 884
Joe Wiley 883
Travis Kerkove 882
Donny Powell 881
Shane Boots 880
Alan Cooper 876
Matthew Phillips 876
Shane Thirtyacre 876
Wyatt Tyler 876
Jason Kruger 874
Jeffrey Beckelheimer 872
Robert Walz 870
Jarin Stoker 864
David Cormeny 863
Cole Martinson 862
Ben Walton 860
Josh Lyster 859
Adam Lasswell 858
Dustin Nohr 857
Brandon Saldivar 855
Jesse Hayes 854
Rindy Stalley 851
Ryan Eggleston 851

Rec - (currently Novice)
Nathan Hamilton 847
Jeremy Reiher 844
Jason Spilman 841
Benny Butler 837
Dan Burg 835
Mathew Mosset 834
Joshua Swisher 830
Spencer Eubanks 830
Thomas Hashman 829
Alexander Rowan 828
Brian Hickman 826
Mike Burton 824
Steve Delaney 824
Sam Saluri 823
Dan Metivier 820
Dustin Snodgress 810
Cole Rutledge 807
Jason Hilton 802
Shaun Spruell 792
Curtis Hayes 791
Josh Butcher 783
Chad Wiegert 775
Michael Shimek 763

This shows me that if players actually went by the PDGA guidelines you would have highly competitive fields with very little bagging and a much smaller gap between the top Pro’s and the Top Adv players. But this will never happen as players are basically treating the divisions as if the ratings classification never changed, so playing down (in the correct division by rating) is seen as bagging and subject to ridicule from others. I think if you add Pro2 you will solve the problem and players will play where they should. So really bagging is self-induced as most players are playing up, which conversely diminishes the quality of the field below making the top players seem like baggers.


So what your saying is that we actually don't currently follow PDGA rating guideline's?(at least the updated guideline's)

Well damn then that take's care of my issue loud and clear thank you for the information.
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Postby z-man » Tue Oct 06, 2009 2:48 pm

Travis...your cruisin' for a bruisin' buddy...golf is all about improving your own game...you shouldn't focus so much on other people's shenanigans and should put your energy to better use...
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Postby TravisTrammel » Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:01 pm

Whatever man. I guess if someone swings at me then SHIT HAPPENS !

All I wanna do is play golf and beat you that way hopefully with fairness involved!

If I'm gonna dump $50 bucks a tourney then I for damn sure want there to be fairness involved.
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