RedBird88 wrote:Should they do something about A-Rod? Absolutely! It can be argued that his positive test results in 2003 shouldn't be considered because it came before the current drug testing rules. Perhaps it wasn't against the rules in the sport of baseball, but it was against the law.
True, which IMO, is the only reason the pot in disc golf arguements carry any weight.
The real issue should be that he was still using steroids in 2004 which was against the rules of baseball and he was tipped off in advance by the players union about a random drug test! Too many people feel it would be bad for baseball to have a big name like A-Rod disciplined for his actions, so the behavior is basically being condoned. They'll kick around some little known guys and say they're dealing with the issue.
So nobody else involved with steroids were worth protecting?
We can find examples of this same way of dealing with problems in our own communities and our own sport. We have issues in the our sport that should be dealt with, but don't because they involve too big a name, carry too much infuence or supply a product to key people that makes it hard for others to do the right thing. I'll use the "smoking enhancement drugs and how it affects the image and growth of our sport issue" from another thread as an example. If there is anyone out there that doesn't think this sport carries with it the stigma of being a "druggie" sport and that that stigma doesn't prevent it from becoming more mainstream then they're either smoking too much of their own product or have their head in the sand.
Okay, where is your proof this is keeping the sport down? I see things from a different light, but I "must be smoking too much of my own product". Id be lying if I said it wasnt out there, but I would also be lying if I said I thought it was the biggest problem in disc golf or the reason that disc golf is a joke to most people. Its funny, but all this steroids talk hasnt hurt baseball at all. They are making money hand over fist. I always thought a few bad apples spoiled the bunch? Why isnt this the case with baseball , as youve figured this out to be the problem in disc golf? Ill tell you why. MONEY. Thats the exact reason baseball covers it up, and why the union can tip people off, the fear of losing that money. Disc Golf has no money, so it has no resources to cover things up, which is why it is an issue. Disc Golf is also full of people that act and say things yet do the complete opposite. Come to think of it, it must be a real problem in disc golf, considering every time Ive been to a major tournament and I go to the wing of PDGA Officials rooms, it smells like somebody let a skunk loose. And they are obviously very concerned and doing thier own experiments on how to change perception. WRONG. They just want to give you the easiest excuse as to why they havent efficently done thier job. If pot in disc golf is one thing, its a detractor of motivation, and for that the sport suffers.
Anyone looking at this forum alone can see how engrained drugs are in the sport. There's a thread on here where you can learn how to grow you own pot in your basement by buying parts from your local Lowes! Quite detailed as a matter of fact.
Yeah. You too can find that on the internet. Its not hard, most of what I posted came directly from the MSNBC report "Marijuana, INC." Its a detailed program about how California is working against Federal Law to build back its economy and deplete its overpacked prison population by not busting users. Nowhere in that post was there instructions on how to build a grow room, or anything like that. What was discussed was the massive profits involved and how every state should be utilizing that , as opposed to just Californians. I can tell you though. Get some big ass lights and a bucket of dirt. Its not much more complicated than that. Also, since I obviously didnt do a good enough job making my point with that post was that there are people making millions of dollars basically trafficking marijuana across the country form a protected location. Alot of people have no idea what kind of money is involved in medical marijuana, or marijuana in general, and those that dont should know, as it may change thier point of view. You choose to take it as a reference guide, basically because it suits your arguement. I deleted the post 3 days ago, so I cant go back to it. You can check out the story though on MSNBC. Also, this is a public forum with hundreds of individule posts. If people used your forum, eventually threads are going to take an adult lead, and topics are going to go off base, probably to the point they shouldnt. At least youd be there to monitor it. And yes, you can say it doesnt present good, and I would agree, but there is also a lack of young people in disc golf, and even less on these forums. I do feel if this was more of a site similar to yours, alot less adult content would be posted. A site is what you make it. You have built a great resourceful web site, this is a public forum. The content is going to revolve around whats adding to it.
Look at the issue with the anchorman's flipant remark in Des Moines about the sport. The only way to change that image is to remove drugs of any form from the game, in all aspects and levels of the game. Sound extreme? Not really. Are you serioulsy telling me that a person can't go two or three hours without lighting up!
No, its not extreme, just far off from happening because not everyone thinks the way You, Clue and Corey think. If it were such a problem why isnt the police showing up at tournaments or staking out the courses busting people right and left? Do they just not give a shit? I mean, its illegal right? Is it the money that these citys are commiting? It must be. I think at the City Council meetings, they pull the Chief of police aside and say, "Hey. We got alot invested in this disc golf, we need to make sure they dont get a black eye. These guys carry around bongs and run naked thorugh the woods smoking thier devil weed....but they bring us millions in revenue."
The reason this sport isn't mainstream isnt because it's hard to televize, it's done every week on tv with golf. It's not that it can't be promoted, it's that if it IS promoted and more people get involved in the sport and run into the "smoking" issue, then this issue will have to be dealt with and people are afraid of the fall out with current, long time players. And we're back where we started. Do the right thing and face the wrath, or find reasons to make the current situation acceptable and continue to complain that things aren't getting any better.
BULLSHIT. Im calling it Joe, Im sorry. Theres less than 40k members of the PDGA. Thats why it isnt on TV. It doesnt matter if a million may play, GOLF can prove millions play as they are paying members to not only GOLF associations, but Country Clubs and community programs. They also have how many millions in sponsors, mainly brought on by various manufactors, unlike disc golf that has about 5. You are all missing the point, and that is that recreational disc golf is what is setting trends, nothing in the PDGA is. I agree, if you want to change perception of this game it has to start with us, but it still isnt getting us on TV.
Of course I'm not saying everyone who plays is a druggie or a junkie, and I'm sure someone will bring up the issue of alcohol. Until alcohol is illegal that issue just isn't the same, sorry.
Whatever. People will still say the same shit about grass, even if it were legal. Its an easy arguement. The only reason alcohol is legal is because prohibition was recalled because of the amount of money going in to fight it and the fact they couldnt stop the flow of illegal money going into the wrong hands. Perhaps posts like the one I made that you refer to would make more sense if you had a firmer understanding on what you were talking about, or understood what I was trying to point out. I obviously did a bad job of it, but you know how to use the computer, look it up.
What it come's down to is what each individual person feels his or her responsibility is. If you're out playing a casual round is it ok to light up? Each person will have to make that desicion, but if you do and even one person sees you, then take responsibility for helping to continue the stereotype. If it helps you relax and play better, is smoking at a tourney or league any different than A-Rod taking steroids?