A guy named Jay lost an orange midrange on 4, between 4's fairway & 8's basket. It's in the water, I think, just couldn't find it. The stream is small right there, but found that there's now a shelf of dirt where the bottom of the creek used to be, and a carern of water flow underthat slelf there - as if there's a lower cavernous bottom to the creek. I think the disc might have been sucked down there, since there was such little chanceof us not finding the disk there. This was just upstream from the culvert on 8, and the "clay pools", as I call them now @ & below 8's pin.