Buzzznation wrote:10up wrote: That being said, the focus no longer needs to be on quantity. We have that statistic dominated by a mile already. The focus should be on quality.
Very nicely put and couldn't agree with you more. But why can't we have both. It's not like the time and efforts put forth by the select few at the Norwalk course took away from improving our already prestigious courses in the DSM Metro area. Unless I missed something I don't think any money was withdrawn from the DSM Club to help fund the Norwalk Course.
why don't you see if they have some other land available?
or in the; it's a dangerous, cramped, and bland course that does absolutely nothing to further the sport and in a variety of very likely situations can actually do more harm to the people who decide to play there (and those that just happen to be there) rather than driving 15 minutes to play on something well designed sense?Plan and as simple as I can put it, How many courses have we all been to that we didn’t enjoy or like the flow or just plan disliked for one reason or another. Do we go back just to make sure we hate it, NO, we just plan and simple don’t go back and we tell our friends why we didn't like it. Cities spend money for the citizens of their communities, Not for you and me. They hope others will appreciate it, but that is not why they did it. Their are a lot of people that do not get out for one reason or another and they want something close by that they can do. Plan and simple; (and this is coming out of my mouth) if you don’t like it, don’t come back. I will not miss you. I built it for Norwalk and others that want a small little course. I did what I thought was right and to this date, have not received one complaint from a citizen of Norwalk, only thanks. Did I try to design it like a Ewing or Walnut Ridge; NO, never did I ever try to, not enough room or terrain.
I just thought it would have served better as a traditional 9 hole course and avoided some of the conflicts with the skate park, shelter and pool.Has it ever accrued to you that some people don’t want to go to a big long course. Not everyone has the arm for a lot of those baskets and some people don’t like to walk that much.
Dangerous and well designed; Lets look Ewing, have you known anyone that has hit a car while throwing, how about hole 3 and 18? Maybe you haven't but what about some moron (more to come on this too) that came from Norwalk or Carlisle that isn’t that good at directing there disc correctly. How about Grandview, its a park that is used a lot by people not playing golf. Hole 8 is close to a shelter, lets pull it. Hole 4 goes straight for the bathrooms, lets pull it, hole 9 is mighty close to the parking lot, lets pull it. I can keep going if you want me to. Look at Madrid, VERY Small 12 hole and people rave about it. That is their #1 park and people play in it all the time, plus people golf in it at the same time. Oh, let me guess, a professional designed it, right? Must be ok if someone with a big name put it in. (just for the record, I do not have a clue who put it in but I enjoy it every time I go there). But, hay, its dangerous so lets pull it. Damn, looks to me that now we can all go down to J&B, that’s the only course that we wont risk hitting the general public. Close the rest of them, someone might get hit and sue the city.
Is it big enough for a 9?Now for the pool; if anyone and I do mean anyone could hit anyone at the pool, they had better put up the disc golf bag and go find a white walking stick. Sounds to me as you have never been to Norwalk, the only way you could hit the pool is if you went out of your way to try and even then, I don’t think you could.
Doesn't look like itand Porkchop answered
while looking at a picture,
If by ANY chance, anyone feels that this was a step in the wrong direction, let me know. If anyone else wants to champion this, let me know as well. I just simply wanted to use my relationship w/ the city (while a weak one) to feel them out & make a handoff if necessary.Come on, the least you could do is see the real thing. Pictures can be conceiving.
Ghost posted on Aug 29th
The problem arises when inexperienced hacks arrogantly put themselves in charge of something they have no experience or expertise in.Did anyone go out there to walk around to see if it was possible or a few going off their photographic memory and just saying no by memory of the park. The least some of you could have done was go and walk. After all, its only 15 minutes from Ewing.......
I'm just saying at some point you have to get some advice from somebody who knows what they are doing.
Norwalk could've been the same way, and it's a shame that it isn't because you guys were too proud to ask for help.
Here's a copy of Gary's post from his 2nd thread, so we can keep this in one running thread.This may be hard to follow, when I first posted on the forum about a possible course in Norwalk, I did ask for help because I was told about a great bunch of guys that could lead me in the correct direction. I don’t know what happened to that thread, I believe it was deleted because I didn't know to follow on the same thread. Saying all that, take a look at Jason's post on Jan 24th 2007
Most people are moronsSO, where was everyone? Damn, I sure am sorry that I'm so damn arrogant. Yes it would have been nice to get some feed back, too bad you wasn't around and apparently no one here was around then too, huh........
And how about your commit (some call it bragging) about Pickard, Hole 8, throwing down buy the bridge. I hit a lady on the bridge. She was no where in site when I throw but sure enough, there she was after words. Should she have been able to sue the city for me hitting her. Hole 1, I'm sure no-one has ever hit a parked car. I wonder has anyone fishing around basket 4 and 5 ever been hit. It also is a great course, I love to play there but come on, we play 99% of our game in city parks.
You know, I don’t have the education that you do so tell me if my analogy is correct; is that like giving a retard a keyboard and a forum to post?Lets think about how we posted that.
#1 this web page is read by a lot of people throughout the state. Is it possible that a city somewhere is considering putting in a disc golf course and where would they go; ASK THE STATE COORDINATOR , now lets see where to look, WOW, LOOK, just so happens that Carlisle is thinking about it lets read,
I hope you get my point. Not only have you just called a few people morons. You and a few others have just dogged a person for trying to do what he thought was right. Do you think they want people like us going to their cities to play. We are rude, we attack one another, we brag about being assholes, should I go on.
10up wroteRefer to HistoryThe reason I said it was selfish (and this applies to Norwalk as well) is because you walked into a park which gets plenty of use for what it is and said to yourself "Gee, I could cram x number of frisbee holes in here to play" with no regard for whether or not the park needed it. Disc Golf is an amazing tool for improving parks that are in need of it and have the land to do it well. It is, however, not something that every park needs and when you attempt to push it upon a place and population that has no use for it you are being, in short, selfish.Grandfather you in, OK, so where is everyone when I teeing off with my stupid skip I do. Why doesn't anyone walk up to me and tell me what I'm doing wrong and try to spend 5 minutes of their time so I can improve on that. In all the time I have been playing, besides Ghost, not one person has ever offered a suggestion to me. That’s a joke. In a small town with a small course you are much more likely to see and talk with others to learn. One time in Des Moines I was watching a guy tee off and he asked me not to watch him so close, he thought I was going to tackle him (must be my smiley face). Yea, we sure do teach one another a lot, don't we.I'd imagine if I had seen someone in a small park putting at a basket, asked what it was, was told about the sport, and pointed to a Ewing, or Pickard, or Walnut, or even Grandview, it would've been a much more enticing and majestic experience. Not to mention you're much more likely to run into someone who can really grandfather you into the sport at one of those places.
Last quote 10up wroteIt's like giving a retard a hammer and a box of nails.
Whoever the Administrator or Moderator is for this part, I hope you see how this hole thing has gotten out of control and erase it in a week or two. Here we are wanting to build the sport and all that has been succeeded was tearing done the sport. (my opinion)
The Donator wrote:That post was way, way too long, for many reasons.
I'm on that train.
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