28th Annual KC Wide Open - June 19th-20th (B Tier)

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28th Annual KC Wide Open - June 19th-20th (B Tier)

Postby Furthur » Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:40 pm

I know that Peoria is the same weekend, but KC did not want to go up against the Japan Open (again). It's going to be a smaller event (like last year). Stay tuned for more info.
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Postby Chase20460 » Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:11 pm

What?
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Postby Single L » Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:37 pm

Chase20460 wrote:What?


QFT ...... I could understand if KCWO was an NT ........ but this I just don't get :?
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Postby GDL17921 » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:38 pm

what isn't there to get? It's a B-Tier. Peoria is an A Tier. 200 miles required between the two. I'm pretty sure they got that covered. Not to mention, Peoria isn't even listed on the pdga schedule yet. I'm pretty sure that the deadline for sanctioning agreements to be in for A-Tiers was 12/1. Maybe Peoria missed the deadline.
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Postby Like_Water » Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:23 pm

Meh, they'll sanction anything.
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Postby Dana » Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:58 pm

GDL5000 wrote:what isn't there to get? It's a B-Tier. Peoria is an A Tier. 200 miles required between the two. I'm pretty sure they got that covered. Not to mention, Peoria isn't even listed on the pdga schedule yet. I'm pretty sure that the deadline for sanctioning agreements to be in for A-Tiers was 12/1. Maybe Peoria missed the deadline.

Did we?


PDGA just sucks ass at posting dates on the tourpage. Lemon Lake A-tier is not up either. The past 2 yrs its taken FOREVER to get em up on the schedule. I don't understand it?
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Re: 28th Annual KC Wide Open - June 19th-20th (B Tier)

Postby Single L » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:40 am

GDL5000 wrote:what isn't there to get? It's a B-Tier. Peoria is an A Tier. 200 miles required between the two. I'm pretty sure they got that covered.


That’s not what I was getting at. I was referring to, and still don’t get, this statement –

Furthur wrote:I know that Peoria is the same weekend, but KC did not want to go up against the Japan Open (again). It's going to be a smaller event (like last year).



From what I gathered KCWO doesn’t want to go up against Japan Open because in 2008 the JO was the weekend after the KCWO and many big names; Feldberg, Jenkins, Climo, Doss, Jay and Des, McCoy, Val, Burl, as well as a bunch of the prominent masters, did not attend KCWO because of this. I get it; KCWO was an NT and got shafted. So from this info the KCWO doesn’t want to compete with the JO in fear of losing the big names again. One major problem the KCWO is not an NT this year, or even an A-Tier. The KCWO is not only going to lose a majority of the big names to Peoria, don’t kid yourselves they chase the money (higher Tier events), but they are also going to lose a lot of regional players to Peoria. So in my opinion KCWO is hurting itself by holding it the same weekend as Peoria. If it were me I would hold it the same weekend as Japan; you would get more marquee names if you were competing against Japan rather than an A-Tier in Peoria and you would also have a larger regional crowd, the crowd that makes an event successful and prominent.
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Postby GDL17921 » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:52 am

Well said, and I would have to agree. I always loved GPO when I lived in the QC, then it kinda fizzled for a couple years, and now it seems that it's making a comeback.

The one thing I will say though, is that KC never seems to have any problems filling B and C Tiers with mostly local players only.
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Postby Single L » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:18 am

GDL5000 wrote:The one thing I will say though, is that KC never seems to have any problems filling B and C Tiers with mostly local players only.


Agreed, however it all depends if they are running this B-Tier as a juiced up C-Tier (what most B-Tiers and the KC areas other tournaments are), or as an A-Tier with a B-Tier label (ala Legion of Doom). I doubt they are going to drop to a C-Tier-ish event, something we would never do with the Challenge, so I would say its the latter. In that case they might struggle getting the numbers they want, but I hope it all works out for them.
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Postby SARG27044 » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:32 am

porkchop wrote:
GDL5000 wrote:The one thing I will say though, is that KC never seems to have any problems filling B and C Tiers with mostly local players only.


Agreed, however it all depends if they are running this B-Tier as a juiced up C-Tier (what most B-Tiers and the KC areas other tournaments are), or as an A-Tier with a B-Tier label (ala Legion of Doom). I doubt they are going to drop to a C-Tier-ish event, something we would never do with the Challenge, so I would say its the latter. In that case they might struggle getting the numbers they want, but I hope it all works out for them.
Isnt Legion a C-TIER?
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Postby Single L » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:37 am

Yes, I was just pointing out that it’s basically an A-Tier labeled as something else. I couldn't think of a B-Tier in the region that fit this mold.
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Postby SARG27044 » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:49 am

porkchop wrote:Yes, I was just pointing out that it’s basically an A-Tier labeled as something else. I couldn't think of a B-Tier in the region that fit this mold.
Jus pointing out what an ass you are.... :lol: Merry Xmas bud
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Postby Like_Water » Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:52 pm

quit telling people LOD is an mis-labeled A-tier. shhhhhhh!
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Re: 28th Annual KC Wide Open - June 19th-20th (B Tier)

Postby Furthur » Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:10 am

porkchop wrote:
GDL5000 wrote:what isn't there to get? It's a B-Tier. Peoria is an A Tier. 200 miles required between the two. I'm pretty sure they got that covered.


That’s not what I was getting at. I was referring to, and still don’t get, this statement –

Furthur wrote:I know that Peoria is the same weekend, but KC did not want to go up against the Japan Open (again). It's going to be a smaller event (like last year).



From what I gathered KCWO doesn’t want to go up against Japan Open because in 2008 the JO was the weekend after the KCWO and many big names; Feldberg, Jenkins, Climo, Doss, Jay and Des, McCoy, Val, Burl, as well as a bunch of the prominent masters, did not attend KCWO because of this. I get it; KCWO was an NT and got shafted. So from this info the KCWO doesn’t want to compete with the JO in fear of losing the big names again. One major problem the KCWO is not an NT this year, or even an A-Tier. The KCWO is not only going to lose a majority of the big names to Peoria, don’t kid yourselves they chase the money (higher Tier events), but they are also going to lose a lot of regional players to Peoria. So in my opinion KCWO is hurting itself by holding it the same weekend as Peoria. If it were me I would hold it the same weekend as Japan; you would get more marquee names if you were competing against Japan rather than an A-Tier in Peoria and you would also have a larger regional crowd, the crowd that makes an event successful and prominent.


Corey, thanks for your comments and opinion. Rick will be running the KCWO this year, and I think because of the sting of the pdga scheduling from 2008, he decided to not run it against the Major this year. We're a little burnt out this year, so we opted not to run the WO at an NT, but are looking forward to joining the NT schedule again in 2011.

As for the fund raising: Rick is hoping to put together more sponsorship to put into this event. 2012 will be the 30th consecutive year that the KCWO has been held, and we would like to get sponsors on board for a 3 year commitment to make that 30th one to remember. Aside from the money that we're looking to add to the pro purse, the KCFDC would like to see the amateur field expand as well. In 2002, there were 189 ams playing, and this was with only advanced fields. I won't say that we can expect 200 ams next year, but with the success of the World Championships, I'm interested to see how many people from the southern midwest (Oklahoma, Texas) decide to make a weekend trip to KC. Peoria will probably split the upper midwest with KC (and trump it for the pro field), but there's enough players in the midwest to make both events quite successful this year.
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Postby Furthur » Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:13 pm

Here's a little more information from Rick:

The 28th Annual Kansas City Wide Open is scheduled as a PDGA B-Tier for June 19-20. Registration information will be forthcoming in the next couple of weeks. This Wide Open is being co-produced this year by Disc Golf World (Rick Rothstein) of Kansas City and Dynamic Discs (Jeremy Rusco) of Emporia, KS.


Rick is trying to figure out how many rounds on how many courses. If you have any input for him, you can post here: http://kcfdc.org/forum/index.php?topic=4302.0.
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